Curse

Zinger314 · Nov 16, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

When the NF Elite Mission is implemented, there's a 99.9% chance that it will be in the Realm of Torment (proof: You can buy "Stygan Keys" for 5 Inscribed Secrets in the Gates of Torment, the same way keys are obtained for the other 2 Elite Missions).

Therefore, it'll likely contain Abaddon's minions, of course.

And therefore, PuG will want the maximum efficiency. This means the Lightbringer title, of course, since it can add a significant amount of damage and damage reduction. And, of course, super Lightbringer's Gaze.

If the NF Elite mission follows the same pattern as the previous Elite Missions, there won't be henchmen, so even with Heroes, you'll need to group. (Atleast 3 Human people will need to be present. But that won't happen. We'll have full groups of 12 for Lightbringer's Gaze spikes.)

I gurantee we'll see "LFM LB R4++! NO NOOBS" in the Elite Mission outpost. (since R4 is inane, like elitist PuGs, but actually reasonable to obtain)

Anyone care to add?

crimsonfilms · Nov 16, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Uhm unlike other titles Lighbringer actually has a purpose in PvE.

So bottom line is, find another group to do it.

This 'omg elitist zuxksor' is kind of lame. Stop forcing people how to play the game they paid for. Be more proactive about life in general and stop depending on others about your happines.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Nov 16, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I have to agree with both Crimson and Zinger on this, Yes there will be a large amount of discrimination, as there is everywhere and that is gonna suck, but I also agree that the best thing to do is find a way around it, which is the reason for guilds.

YunSooJin · Nov 16, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

I dont see anything wrong at discrimination in this game. If you think it'll help you succeed, then you do it. Applied incorrectly though, its only a detriment to yourself.

Malice Black · Nov 16, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

This is pure speculation and will only rile the masses.

Lyphen · Nov 16, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Hey, if it's open, I'd rather grind Lightbringer rep than have to wait for a ferry.

Chicken Ftw · Nov 16, 2006, 02:24 AM // 02:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by YunSooJin

I dont see anything wrong at discrimination in this game. If you think it'll help you succeed, then you do it. Applied incorrectly though, its only a detriment to yourself.

Qft. I discriminate all the time. If I weren't as selective and took every person who asked into my group, I'd have failed a lot more missions, taken much longer to beat the game, etc etc. Not to mention the large headache caused by bad PUGs. <_<

Thallandor · Nov 16, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

I agree with Zinger on the post, it will happen as described. Ever since the implementation of skill bar calling, its has never been more easier to discriminate players (not saying if its good or bad, pros and cons) so i wont be surprised if lightbringer titles will be used as a basis on choice of players for Elite mission PuGs.

One other thing, if hencies are not allowed in Elite missions, its likely then so wont be Heros as well.

Personally i feel perhaps the best way to solve this would be to have the lightbringer title (1) as the prerequisite to access Elite mission, as this will ensure that a player has at least made significant progress into the game, if not completed it already. Others may be more extreme to suggest that Elite missions should only be open to those who have completed NF.

But having said that, then again there will always be idiots who would then dsicriminate others by their lightbringer title (1),(2),(3) and failing that then use pvp rank as an indication of PvE competence. ~_~

My advice: Just aviod goons and play with your friends/guild.

Count to Potato · Nov 16, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

<-- Mighty Lightbringer, what do i care, its fun using Gaze, anyway if u go and do all master quests you'll get it no worries

-.- · Nov 16, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

The Elite mission better give 10 points per kill, or I'm going to quit grinding for the max.

Divinus Stella · Nov 16, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Well, elite mission pugs usually die or get ragequits and errors anyway, id never dream of joining a pug for an elite mission, guild teams are much better, doesnt matter what rank in lightbringer a wammo has, he will still get killed when he rambos the first chest he sets his eyes on.

bamm bamm bamm · Nov 16, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

You don't have to 'guarantee' it, I already see it in every mission and outpost in Torment. But then if it offers a tangeable benefit and is available to every profession, is it as bad? I agree with your assumption that the standard will be set at around R4. Every title has a point where it moves from background 'as-you-play' progression to focused grinding. For lightbringer I feel that point is late-R3/R4. I suppose it ultimately depends on how effective gaze spiking is in the context of the elite mission. If it is effective (and it probably will be), the concept will become a fad and there will be a title 'standard'.

Phoenix Ex · Nov 16, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Its not like its a bad thing....LB point are extremely easy to get from normal play.

The only thing ANet should make sure of is that the mission is 99.9% impossible to do with Heroes/Hench.

M1h4iL · Nov 16, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Good observation, I am sure there will be plenty of LF: r3++ LB

lg5000 · Nov 16, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51

What's the max rank for lightbringer atm?

Kcp · Nov 16, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

If the masses really wanted to be elite they shouldn't even use their lightbringer title in the mission, or any of those lightbringer skills.

It's not like you can't kill any of abaddons servants without a lightbringer title. I really don't see it being a problem except for the O.C.D. people.

YunSooJin · Nov 16, 2006, 04:53 AM // 04:53

R8 - 50,000 LB points is the max.

Hump Masta · Nov 16, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinus Stella

Well, elite mission pugs usually die or get ragequits and errors anyway, id never dream of joining a pug for an elite mission, guild teams are much better, doesnt matter what rank in lightbringer a wammo has, he will still get killed when he rambos the first chest he sets his eyes on.

Yet another typical person who thinks all warriors are noobs. There are just as many noobs at everything, yes even elementalists.

kang · Nov 16, 2006, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Im lightbringer R2 with 550 points and I havent farmed once, I just got them from bounties on the way to quests and quest rewards.

It may also not seem like much, but the lightbringer title IS effective, the extra damage is noticable and the reduction is handy, also lightbringers gaze is a great skill, mass interrupt and sweet damage.

In my opionin, ill be late r3/r4 by the time the elite mission is released (unless for once they release something early) and ill definatley want r3 at least, because lightbringer skills DO help, and they are very useful.

and the same thing happens with PvP anyway, HA rank discrimination is just like that, and people have managed fine, if they arent high ranked, they go with low rank teams (or heroway now.....), and with the elite mission, if they arent high enough ranked, they either go with a lower team or go out and do some master quests.

Ole Man Bourbon · Nov 16, 2006, 05:19 AM // 05:19

R6 IWAY LB farm SI